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NJ Residents for Action Against Gun Violence Say NJ2AS Members Sought to 'Embarrass' Them

Group says efforts to sabotage their work only strengthens their resolve.

NJ Residents For Action Against Gun Violence would like to clarify for the public any confusion surrounding the gun advocate group which showed up at our peaceful protest at Leonard Lance’s office. We have learned that this group  is represented by NJ2AS --  New Jersey Second Amendment Rights Association based out of Manahwkin, NJ, a town that is not in our district and has nothing to do with our district. We have also learned that they purposely staked out our protest ahead of time for the sole purpose of trying to sabotage us and in their words according to their website  “embarrass” us.

We were there to represent the public sentiment of the 7th district for our demand for sensible gun legislation on a federal level for the public safety of all of us in NJ. We also presented Leonard Lance with a petition of almost 5,000 signatures of 7th District constituents supporting these efforts.

Clearly they had other ulterior motives other than asserting their 1st amendment rights as they claimed. This group posted our protest on their website ahead of time, and asked members to basically crash our demonstration in order to try and “embarrass” our group.  In fact, they are going to do this same thing on Friday in Mt. Laurel.

According to their website today they are asking members to sabotage a visit that is planned to Jon Runyon’s office on Friday by those in his district supporting the President’s plan to reduce gun violence. This was taken directly from their website today “The point of course is to embarrass President Obama's gun violence prevention if we can.”

At our event they were heckling and shouting chants such as “Sheep are weak" (whatever that means) and even stooped so low as to say to one of our woman members, “I hope you get raped in the street and have no way to protect yourself.” 

Clearly this group does NOT represent this district and is not based in our district. Any shred of credibility this organization may be  trying to pawn off is obliterated by their appalling behavior and desperate attempts to sabotage such legitimate efforts as ours. They could choose to have their own demonstration in their own district but instead that have to desperately resort to sneaky tactics that  just serve to make them look small and ineffective.  

What NJ2AS fails to realize is that using such tactics to try and sabotage our community efforts only serves to further galvanize us towards our continued goal of petitioning Leonard Lance for common sense federal gun legislation for our number one objective—public safety. 

--NJ Resident for Action

HL February 23, 2013 at 06:36 PM
yes you are right Karen the words in the article make it a fact....seriously I'd love to speak to you face to face, maybe you can teach me something I am unaware of that would bring me over to your way of thinking.... maybe I will show up at one of your protests or meetings
HL February 23, 2013 at 06:44 PM
Karen stick to your version of fact---- Woman to woman, I am still curios how would you defend yourself in a life threatening situation? You've keep skirting the question....
HL February 23, 2013 at 06:58 PM
lastly Karen how do any of the pending bills do anything to specifically address mental health issues or criminal activity, or the safety of your children or mine? They dont, and they wont! Wouldnt your time be better spent working on ways to improve the real issues at hand, If care about the children as you say....then its time for you and your group to take a serious look at what your goals are and ask yourselves how we these accomplish those goals---- get off the defensive and do some real honest thinking and maybe educate yourself a little on things you know nothing about ---- calm down and breathe--- laws made on emotion are never good laws
HL February 23, 2013 at 07:19 PM
Cain decided to kill his brother rather than get right with God. There were no guns available, although there may well have been a knife. Whether it was a knife or a rock, the Bible does not say. The point is, the evil in Cain's heart was the cause of the murder, not the availability of the murder weapon. God's response was not to ban rocks or knives, or whatever, but to banish the murderer. Later (see Genesis 9:5-6) God instituted capital punishment, but said not a word about banning weapons.
Devilsfan February 23, 2013 at 07:29 PM
Michael S So why are you NOT protesting ABORTIONS??? You think God and Jesus are for abortions? Think of ALL the lives you would save! Karen is a left wing loon part of moveon.org. That says it all!
Mike February 23, 2013 at 07:44 PM
Karen, why do you think that 1st Amendment applies to your group but doesn't equally apply to those who disagree with you? I disagree with what your group advocates, but you have a Constitutional right to say it, so I support your right to do so. There is nothing in our political system that says one can only protest in their congressional district. Why do you not support the right of others who disagree with you from expressing their opinions, as is THEIR Constitutional right to do so?That suggests to me that you don't respect the Bill of Rights, which makes me think that your real agenda goes far beyond what is stated and ultimately threatens my 2nd Amendment rights.
c February 23, 2013 at 10:50 PM
“Universal Background Checks” While the term “universal background checks” may sound reasonable on its face, the details of what such a system would entail reveal something quite different. A mandate for truly “universal” background checks would require every transfer, sale, purchase, trade, gift, rental, or loan of a firearm between all private individuals to be pre-approved by the federal government. In other words, it would criminalize all private firearms transfers, even between family members or friends who have known each other all of their lives. According to a January 2013 report from the U.S. Department of Justice’s National Institute of Justice, the effectiveness of “universal background checks” depends on requiring gun registration.[5] In other words, the only way that the government could fully enforce such a requirement would be to mandate the registration of all firearms in private possession – a requirement that has been prohibited by federal law since 1986. FACTS- 1) NJ bans magazines greater than 15 rounds already and has for years. 2) NJ bans "assault weapons" which is an arbitrary made up definition which includes things like bayonet lugs and heat shrouds on barrels and has for years. 3) Most people don't know what they are "supporting" except the Obama/Bloomberg/Move On talking points. 4) You think you are doing something good for society/"the children" but are not. 5) your ideas actually INCREASE crime- the data shows it.
HL February 24, 2013 at 02:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=489DKFhhLAs&feature=share NJ Common Sense Legislation.........
karen egert February 24, 2013 at 03:58 AM
Concerned citizen , A transfer of any firearm should be monitored with background checks . You seem to object to the fact that you couldn't give your gun to a "family " member without a background check . Background checks sound pretty reasonable to me and they would help to minimize the possibility that a deadly weapon could fall into the hands of the wrong person --instead of keeping it in the hands of a responsible gun owner like yourself .
c February 24, 2013 at 01:13 PM
So if you grandmother wanted to give grandpa's 150 year old rifle he got from his grandpa who used it in the War between the States she would have to make sure you had a background check? Is that right?
Aman77 February 24, 2013 at 01:57 PM
Be careful there Michael S. Are you willing to aply the old WWJD test to all of your political convictions? Does this include abortion--especially late-term abortion being pushed by NY gov Cuomo? Does this WWJD test include supporting for the welfare state? Does this WWJD test include gay marriage? If you really want to start with that whole WWJD thing you better get ready to re-align what is an obviously left of center mindset. And last time I checked, there were no firearms in Jesus' time...so it was a pretty peaceful age right? No children were ever harmed because there were no guns to harm them. Man if only we could have that. Than God Herod never got a hold of a Bushmaster. He might have killed some children otherwise. Pah-lease. Get off your moral high-horse. It is insulting and transparently political. Jesus would look into the problem of our culture's soul...not our weaponry. The Romans raised a lot of hell because no one back then had the power to stand up to them. I wonder how things would have been if the Christians thrown to the lions would have had guns? In your world, you wish to throw modern unarmed Christians to vicious lions all over again. Only these lions have guns, and in your fantasy world good people do not...No offense but I refer not to be crucified for your leftists fantasyland. I suppose you would have just wanted to pass a law "bannking Romans" too. That would have solved it! Courageous!
Aman77 February 24, 2013 at 02:01 PM
Karen. Please tell me how this "home background check" thing works? What's the process. Say I want to give old grandpa's old Lugar he captured from a Jerry officer during WW2 to one of my boys? Please tell me how you see this transaction going down?
HL February 24, 2013 at 03:50 PM
the laws are readily available @ http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/ type in keyword firearms
Frank Jack Fiamingo February 24, 2013 at 07:43 PM
First, as President of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society (NJ2AS) I would like to address the author of this Patch article directly. The NJ2AS is a state-wide organization as the name NEW JERSEY would imply. President Obama is based in Washington D.C. I think it is fair to say that if the President can organize anti-rights protests all over the country, the NJ2AS most certainly has an interest in countering with a PRO-rights demonstration here in our own state. Second, just because I assert that one of YOUR protesters shouted at our members, "I hope you shoot your babies with your guns", A.) doesn't mean that it was actually said, and B.) doesn't mean that your organization supports such a despicable wish (at least I would hope not). Frank Jack Fiamingo
Frank Jack Fiamingo February 24, 2013 at 07:44 PM
In fact, the next to the last thing the members of the NJ2AS want is for *ANYONE* to be assaulted. The last thing we want is for ourselves, our families or our INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY to be assaulted. We support the right of EVERY individual to protect their LIFE, LOVE and LIBERTY by whatever means necessary to accomplish the job, INCLUDING the carrying of a defensive handgun. In the hands of a free citizen of the United States who has never committed a violent crime or been adjudicated mentally incompetent, NONE of the rights protected by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights should be considered a threat to anyone. That goes against all reason. The Constitution was intended to PROTECT the INDIVIDUAL rights of the people, NOT to suppress them. Only the criminal and the criminally insane should be denied their otherwise inalienable rights. Frank Jack Fiamingo
Frank Jack Fiamingo February 24, 2013 at 07:44 PM
We deprived NO ONE their First Amendment rights by showing up to counter your protest. You said what you came to say and we came to demonstrate our reverence for LIFE, LOVE and LIBERTY. It is not our fault that your numbers were so much lower than ours. I believe that is a reflection of the fact that MOST people realize that the suppression of rights is a BAD thing. They realize that you don't reduce violence by restricting the rights of law-abiding citizens. Instead, it makes more sense to concentrate our efforts on eliminating or reducing crime and insanity. However, since the government appears to be completely ineffective at achieving those goals, it makes PERFECT sense for us to protect our own lives, loved ones and LIBERTY. That is the message that the NJ2AS is spreading throughout New Jersey. Love and protect your family while preserving your LIBERTY to do so from attack by those who fail to understand its importance. We plan to counter *EVERY* protest held in *ANY* part of New Jersey with an enthusiastic crowd of Liberty-minded, law-abiding members and supporters. As our numbers grow, we will drown out anyone who believe that the Constitution no longer applies to the people of the United States. it is *OUR* Constitution. It was written SOLELY to protect the INDIVIDUAL rights of the people in a government *OF* the people, *BY* the people, *FOR* the people. Until you understand that, we will continue to show up in larger and larger numbers. Frank Jack Fiamingo
karen egert March 17, 2013 at 02:34 AM
Mr. Flamingo ..... We're you there at the protest ? No. So do not comment on what your group did or didn't do , said or didn't say because you weren't there . As far as the Second Amendment and the banning of military assault weapons - banning these excessive weapons is not unconstitutional . Have you read the legal opinion written by Scalia in the Heller decision ? It specifically states that the right to bear arms is NOT UNLIMITED . In other words , limits and restrictions may be applied and will still fall within protecting one!s second amendment rights . It also specifically states that " Weapons used in the military such as M-16 MAY BE BANNED . So why are you accusing those who are in favor of limiting excessive weapons and excessive ammunition , trying to strip you of your Second Amendment rights ? It has no basis in the law or in fact . I'd love to hear your response
Frank Jack Fiamingo March 17, 2013 at 04:02 PM
Hi Karen (please feel free to call me Frank), The right to keep and bear arms is not granted by the Constitution. The Second Amendment exists merely as a warning *TO* the government *NOT* to infringe on the PREEXISTING right of the people to keep and bear arms. The actual point of the Second Amendment was and is to keep the balance of power in the hands of the people where it belongs. The United States was intended to be governed by a government *OF*, *BY* and *FOR* the people. As such it is MUCH safer for the balance of power to be in the hands of individual civilian members of "the people" than it is for it to be in the hands of the Senate, Congress, President, Police and Military. We have seen too many instances in History where excessive power in the hands of "leaders" led to EXTREMELY bad results for "the people" We will not ever allow that to happen here in the United States of America. If you wish to discuss "assault weapons" I will have to ask you to define the term, as I have no idea what type of firearms you consider to be "assault weapons". I would imagine that whenever an implement of ANY kind is used to assault someone, that would be considered an assault weapon. Anything else might be considered a DEFENSIVE weapon. We can talk about this further once you have shared your definition with me. CONTINUED...
Frank Jack Fiamingo March 17, 2013 at 04:02 PM
With regard to the Supreme court, as a matter of fact, in both the Heller and McDonald Supreme Court decisions, the court ruled clearly that the right to keep and *BEAR* arms is an INDIVIDUAL right of the people, and yet New Jersey does not allow civilians to *BEAR* arms at all. That is not a "limitation" that is an outright *BAN*. Based on that interpretation, most of our State Senate, Assembly, Mayors, Police and INDEED the Governor belong behind bars for breaking the highest law of the land. How much is "excessive", Karen. If you live in Camden and there is a gang wandering the streets hopped up on the latest street drug, what type of firearm and how many cartridges are excessive? I would say that any amount that would help me keep my home and family secure would be just about right. When the SS came for the Jews, the Poles, the Catholics, the Homosexual, the Intellectuals and the people who believed in FREEDOM, how many cartridges would you say would have been "excessive" - 1000 rounds, a million, perhaps *SIX* million (or SIXTY)? - CONTINUED...
Frank Jack Fiamingo March 17, 2013 at 04:03 PM
I am sure that your intentions are pure Karen, but you know virtually nothing about responsible gun ownership by law-abiding individuals. I would be happy to introduce you to *MANY*. We are having an event this Tuesday, March 19, 2013 at the VFW Hall on 33 South 21st Street in Kenilworth, NJ starting at 6:00 PM. The event is "A NIGHT OF FAITH, FAMILY, FREEDOM AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT" It is being sponsored by the New Jersey Second Amendment Society (NJ2AS) as part of our Urban Outreach Initiative. It is a FREE event and the public is invited. This event is being co-sponsored by "The Last Civil Right" a group of FABULOUS Black Women including Author Pastor Shannon Wright of Plainfield, NJ, Chicago Republican Committee Woman Babette Holder-Youngberg, and Author and Veteran Kuuleme Stephen from Arizona. In addition, Family Activist Carolee Admas, Podcaster Reverend Kenn Blanchard (AKA Black Man With A Gun), NJ2AS Director of Community Affairs and Urban Outreach Alexander Roubian and I will be speaking. The press conference will begin promptly at 6:00 PM, to be followed by an open reception where you will be able to meet the various speakers and to ask questions. If you are interested in how the rights which are supposed to be protected by the Second Amendment relate to FAITH, FAMILY and FREEDOM please feel free to attend. I would be happy to meet with you to discuss this in person. Respectfully, Frank Jack Fiamingo President - NJ2AS
Tim SiLVa May 11, 2013 at 12:18 AM
Wow, Frank, looks to me like you're well put definition of what the 2nd Amendment really is, along with the historically accurate reason why it remains logical to keep it that way, was too much for Karen. Keep up the good work. Not a member of your group yet but you just might have a new member after reading this thread. And I do live in district 7. You are welcome here if I have any say as a resident.
Devilsfan May 11, 2013 at 12:26 AM
im sorry Karen isn't interested in our rights only the agenda of moveon.org.
Frank Jack Fiamingo May 11, 2013 at 02:15 AM
Have you seen this? http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/10/anti-gun-dems-shocking-hot-mic-comments-confiscate-confiscate-confiscate/
Frank Jack Fiamingo May 11, 2013 at 01:34 PM
Thank you, Tom. I really hope that you do become a member. So many people mistakenly believe that the Second Amendment is about guns. Nothing could be farther from the truth. It is about FREEDOM, arms are merely and end towards the protection of FREEDOM in a last resort situation. However, if one has no familiarity with arms, they cannot be expected to employ these tools properly should they be needed for personal defense, defense of family, or defense of LIBERTY. That is why we encourage people to familiarize themselves with the safe and responsible use of firearms. That is also why we in the New Jersey Second Amendment Society (NJ2AS) fight so HARD against those in our OWN state legislature who work to CONFISCATE our arms and limit our FREEDOM to own them. We need the average citizen of NJ who still believes in the Constitution to join with us EVEN if you do not own a gun. Thanks again Frank Jack Fiamingo President - NJ2AS NOW IS THE TIME!!!
Frank Jack Fiamingo May 11, 2013 at 01:54 PM
There is something that I would ask the readers to please consider. This is the true story of two young women (I will call them Jane and Joan for purposes of this post). Jane had an order of protection against her abusive ex-boyfriend. He threatened to kill her. Sometime between 3 and 4 in the morning, he broke into her apartment, brutally beat her, sexually assaulted her and when she grabbed a marble bookend that had fallen to the floor during the struggle, and struck him in the head as hard as she could, he strangled her to death and left her lifeless body in the middle of the room. Joan also had an order of protection against her abusive ex-boyfriend. He had previously beaten her so badly that she had to have facial reconstruction. Very early one morning, he broke into her apartment. Joan was able to reach for her .45 caliber pistol and she shot him three times in the chest. The EMT carried his lifeless body out to the ambulance. First I want you to consider which of these scenarios you would prefer. Second, you need to understand that one of these situations happened in Texas where the proper use of a firearm is accepted and encouraged. The other happened in New Jersey. I will let you consider which was which. Frank Jack Fiamingo President - NJ2AS NOW IS THE TIME!!!
Frank Jack Fiamingo May 11, 2013 at 04:42 PM
You see, guns are not the problem. Criminals are the problem. Any bill that encroaches on the legitimate right of the people to keep and bear arms while doing absolutely nothing to prevent criminals from obtaining and MIS-using guns is not good legislation it is a GUN OWNERSHIP RIGHTS VIOLATION according to our OWN U.S. Constitution. Frank Jack Fiamingo President - NJ2AS www.nj2as.com NOW IS THE TIME
Tim SiLVa May 12, 2013 at 07:33 AM
I hear you Frank, and totally agree.I'm actually in the process of getting my FID and pistol permit, which of course I've been waiting for since January.and I have heard that disgusting recording of these so called politicians regarding confiscation. They clearly have an agenda and refuse to understand the words "shall not be infringed".
Frank Jack Fiamingo May 13, 2013 at 01:46 AM
Good Work, Tim. Let me know how you make out.
Devilsfan May 13, 2013 at 03:45 PM
And to Karen and to the rest of your left wing buddies...and you on the left say they is no tyrrany...look at what Obama's IRS was doing...This is why the 2nd Amendment is a right and law!!
Frank Jack Fiamingo May 13, 2013 at 08:28 PM
Law-abiding gun owners have been saying for years that after they attack your right to keep and bear arms, they will come after your right to free speech, and eventually the rest of your rights. The question is now that you see it happening, will you listen?

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