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Gun Control: A Matter of Common Sense

An Op-Ed from State Assemblyman Upendra J. Chivukula (D) who is challenging Republican Leonard Lance for the U.S. Congress seat in the 7th District.

 

The culture of gun violence appears in our everyday lives whether it’s watching the local news, reading the newspaper, or going to the movies.  In some unfortunate shape or form, gun violence is present in our conscious minds constantly. 

Responsible gun ownership should have common sense requirements.  Furthermore, irresponsible violent acts should not go without consequences. During one year, Canada had 144 deaths due to gun violence. Australia, 59.  Great Britain, 19. United States of America: 9,369.

There is something very dreadfully wrong with that.

In order to change the threat of random gun violence the culture of romanticizing it must be changed. We need to properly enforce the gun laws on the books, and not make them weaker by repealing them. 

Democrats have historically voted for gun control. Republicans have historically voted against it. And as heinous acts have once again been committed with legally owned guns, the debate over gun control resurfaces. 

Gun control proponents tout the recent shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin as reasons for limits on the sale of bullets, high-volume magazines, and a common sense ban on assault weapons. Gun control opponents dismiss these arguments citing that the actions of an individual shouldn’t punish responsible gun owners and infringe on their 2nd Amendment rights. Gun enthusiasts claim that more people should have guns so violent extremists can be equally confronted, in turn, negating the threat. 

Some say criminals bent on causing harm will find a way to obtain a weapon.  They say such is the nature of the criminal, so making more laws won’t matter.  And in the grand scheme of American life, mass shootings tend to be isolated events, not constants or the everyday norm. So, having every American arm him or herself with a concealed weapon is unnecessary and will actually increase danger — let’s not go back to Dodge City and the Wild West. 

The time has come to focus on changing the romantic way we view an all too common form of inflicting harm upon others. The bigger picture will focus on eliminating doing harm to one another regardless of means. But for now, let’s focus on making gun violence less appealing and less frequent though cultural reformation.  

Common sense legislation as well as strict enforcement of current laws should follow the lead of the civilization’s unwritten rules.


Assemblyman Upendra J. Chivukula (D) is a legislator in New Jersey’s 17th District and has been involved in politics for over 18 years. He is challenging Republican Leonard Lance for the US Congress seat in the 7th District.

Related Topics: Upendra Chivukula and gun control

028651

11:43 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

State Assemblyman Upendra J. Chivukula, you are a biased idiot and out of touch. See you at the polls.

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Mary Mann

12:53 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

028651,
Our Patch Terms of Use stipulate "no personal attacks." I'm sure you can state your views in a more thoughtful way.

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Devilsfan

1:12 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Why can't he state his opinion? The Assemblyman is being biased. I don't know if he's an idiot yet, but the election process will prove or disprove that, as the Assemblyman presented no solution.

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Tim Tippett

6:26 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Any Politician for any form of gun control WILL NOT get my vote and I shall do all within my Constitutional Rights and as a Citizen of this country to fight against any form of gun control domestic or foreign! Without the Second Amendment we would have no rights!

g.f.rush

12:41 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

"let’s not go back to Dodge City and the Wild West" yeah.., lets make it a turkey shoot instead. ASSyman chivukula, another democratic, foreign moron who forgot what happened during the LA riots when shopkeepers were forced to defend their property with shotguns while the LAPD stood by and did nothing. and even stated "protect and serve' was just a motto"

Devilsfan

1:05 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

You don't have my vote. You're a typical Dem trying to use recent acts of violence for your own advantage. I agree w/u, enforce the laws on the books, that's common sense. But the problem starts at home and if people are not educated from childhood about guns and then held accountible for their actions you can pass all the laws you want people will still use guns to kill. Plus you can't legislate against stupidity. I

Barney Oldfield

1:09 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

The Assemblyman is simply the Dems sacrificial lamb in a District where he has no chance of winning.

William Ewart

3:48 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

“During one year, Canada had 144 deaths due to gun violence. Australia, 59. Great Britain, 19. United States of America: 9,369.”

It has been found that there is no correlation between firearms ownership and homicide and suicide rates, and many of the countries with the strictest firearms prohibitions have higher homicide and suicide rates than nations without such restrictions.

http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf

According to Smallarmssurvey.org, the United States ranks first (88.1) in per capita civilian firearms ownership per 100, so the casual observer would believe the U.S. would be in top 10 in murders, or at least the top twenty. However, the U.S. is not even in the top 30. The U.S. ranked the 35 in the World murder rate. In 2009 that came to 5.0 per 100.000 in 2009, and 4.8 in 2010.
Switzerland ranks third (45.7) civilian firearms ownership per 100, and it unlikely that military weapons kept in Swiss homes are included since they are property of the Swiss Government. Yet, their murder rate was an extremely low 0.66 per 100,000 in 2009.

William Ewart

3:58 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

By contrast, El Salvador ranked 92nd in civilian firearms ownership (5.8) per 100, so the casual observer would believe that they would not be in the top fifty murder rate. However, they ranked first in the world murder rate at a staggering 71 per 100,000 in 2009, second in murder rate in 2010 with 66 per 100,000 in 2010, and second in 2011 at 71 per 100,000. Honduras ranked 88th in firearm ownership per 100 and they were first in 2011 world murder rate at a staggering 86 per 100,000.

http://www.smallarmssurvey.org/fileadmin/docs/A-Yearbook/2007/en/Small-Arms-Survey-2007-Chapter-02-annexe-4-EN.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_rate

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William Ewart

4:00 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

April 26, 2002 - GERMANY - In Erfurt, eastern Germany, 19-year-old Robert Steinhauser killed 12 teachers, a secretary, two pupils and a policeman at the Gutenberg Gymnasium, before killing himself.

November 7, 2007 - FINLAND - Pekka-Eric Auvinen killed six fellow students, the school nurse and the principal and himself

September 23, 2008 - FINLAND - Student Matti Saari opened fire in a vocational school in Kauhajoki in northwest Finland, killing nine other students

March 11, 2009 - GERMANY - A 17-year-old gunman dressed in black combat gear killed nine students and three teachers at a school near Stuttgart. Two additional passers-by were killed and two policemen seriously injured, bringing the death toll to 16 including the gunman.

June 2, 2010 - BRITAIN - Gunman Derrick Bird opened fire on people in towns across the rural county of Cumbria. Twelve people were killed and 11 injured.
He didn't have an "assault weapon".
He didn't have 6,000 rounds of ammunition.
He didn't have a pump action shotgun.
He didn't have two Glock handguns.
He didn't have a 100 round magazine.

He had a 22 caliber bolt action rifle of the kind used to shoot squirrels, rabbits, and for target shooting.

August 30, 2010 - SLOVAKIA - A gunman shot dead six members of a Roma family and another woman in the Slovak capital Bratislava before killing himself.

William Ewart

4:00 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

August 30, 2010 - SLOVAKIA - A gunman shot dead six members of a Roma family and another woman in the Slovak capital Bratislava before killing himself.

April 9, 2011 - NETHERLANDS - Tristan van der Vlis opened fire in the Ridderhof mall in Alphen aan den Rijn, south of Amsterdam, killing six before turning the gun on himself.
Please note that most of these mass shootings occurred in nations with strict gun control laws.

Westfield Taxpayers

4:26 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Chivakula is trying to build his reputation as a socialist by championing civilian dis-arming made popular by other tyrants (Mao, Marx, Lenin, Hitler) that resulted in hundreds of millions of deaths. The right to bear arms incurs a very small cost when compared to the unregulated power of tyrannical regimes such as King George III. The right to bear arms provides the citizens the power to defend our lives, our families, and our country.

Edd Flammer

4:34 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

First Assemblyman you should do your research before writing a piece like this, you cite the myth of the lawless wild west, which if you look it up you will find never actually happened.

Your call to "common sense" is telling, as you are presenting a position without any supporting facts. You simply state "what everybody knows" and "what others have said" and present them as established facts.

You claim that more conceal carry will result in more danger, I challenge you to present a single study that shows that increase in injures and deaths in states that have increase CCW permit issuance. Further I would love to see your stats on the vast number of people killed by legally owned assault weapons that shows banning them is common sense.

If you cant provide real information then you are simply using the fear created by tragic event to promote a platform that is fed to you by your "bosses" in the party, and for that you should ashamed.

William Ewart

5:19 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

“Gun control proponents tout the recent shootings in Colorado and Wisconsin as reasons for limits on the sale of bullets, high-volume magazines, and a common sense ban on assault weapons.”
When I purchased my AR-15 over thirty years ago no one called it a “Assault Weapon” or “Killing Machine” “Battlefield Weapon,” “Rapid Fire Weapon” Etc. It was the semi-auto (Fires one shot per one pull of the trigger) version of the full-auto (Fires continuously as long as the trigger is pulled) M-16, but citizen disarmament zealots and organizations found that they could gain support for gun bans through semantics. For example, they called affordable handguns “Saturday Night Specials” or “Junk Guns.” So, that started calling AR-15s and the like “Assault Style Weapons” and later just “Assault Weapons” in an attempt to deceive the public into believing that they were advocating banning machine guns. As Josh Sugarmann, the executive director and founder of the Violence Policy Center, put it in Assault Weapons and Accessories in America, 1988, “The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons—anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun—can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.”

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William Ewart

5:20 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

The inconvenient fact is that in 2010, Aks, ARs, Uzis and all other semi-auto “Assault Weapons” as well as all other rifles accounted for 358 murders nationwide. That is less than three percent of all homicides and comes to less than one homicide a day. Not only does that mean that no one in you state will be murdered by an “Assault Weapon” or any other rifle this month but likely not next month, or even the month after that.

By contrast, over four times the number of murders, 1,704, were with knives or cutting instruments, over twice the numbers of murders, 745, were with hands, fists, feet, etc, and more murders, 540, were committed using blunt objects like clubs, hammers, baseball bats, etc.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/20 10/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

Additionally, a study funded by the Department of Justice concluded, “Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. AWs were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban.”

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/204431.pdf

William Ewart

5:21 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

Additionally, a study funded by the Department of Justice concluded, “Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement. AWs were rarely used in gun crimes even before the ban.”

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/204431.pdf
In an April 5, 1996, column in the Washington Post, Charles Krauthammer, who forthrightly supports total gun prohibition, wrote, "Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic — purely symbolic — move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation."
You are far more likely to be killed with a weapon other than a firearm than one of those so called “Assault Weapons” or any other rifle.
Of course, citizen disarmament zealots and organizations ignore these inconvenient facts because they are trying to frighten the public into banning all firearms one class of weapon at a time.

William Ewart

5:21 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

“So, having every American arm him or herself with a concealed weapon is unnecessary and will actually increase danger — let’s not go back to Dodge City and the Wild West.”

The inconvenient fact is our right to Keep and BEAR arms have been increasingly restored over last several years and more citizens are now free to carry firearms in more places since the year 1900. Yet, homicides, including homicides with firearms, as well as all other violent crime have been decreasing since 2006. Moreover, after a dramatic increase in firearms sales and ownership after the last Presidential election including an increase in first time firearms purchases and an increase in firearms carry permits, citizen disarmament zealots and organizations predicted that there would be a corresponding increase in homicides and other violent crime. However, the U.S. homicide rate decreased from 5.0 per 100,000 in 2009 to 4.8 per 100,000 in 2010 and all other violent crime decreased as well.

Preliminary data from 2011 shows all Violent Crime was down 6.4%, Murder down 5.7%, Rape down 5.1%, Robbery down 7.7%, and Aggravated Assault down 5.9%.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10tbl04.xls

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/december/crime-stats_121911/crime-stats_121911

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William Ewart

5:22 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

By contrast, The United Kingdom enacted extreme firearms bans years ago, and gun crime in the U.K. has double in a decade.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6438601/Gun-crime-doubles-in-a-decade.html
Criminologists have found that U.S. citizens use firearms for self-defense 2.5 million times a year, and for every life that is lost to firearms violence 65 lives are saved by firearms in self-defense.
Firearms are used thousands of times a day for other lawful purposes like hunting, competitive shooting, recreational shooting, and collecting. Shooting is an Olympic and NCAA sport as well as in the Boy Scouts, ROTC/JROTC, 4-H and others. With all of this taken into account it is clear that the vast majority of firearms are used for lawful purposes.

http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/KleckAndGertz1.htm

Suter E. "Guns in the Medical Literature - A Failure of Peer
Review." Journal of the Medical Association of Georgia. March 1994; 83: 133-48.

It should also be noted that in the year 1900 and long before Federal gun control laws were enacted the murder rate in the U.S. was 1.2 per 100,000. In 1993 and hundreds of gun control laws later the murder rate was 10.1 per 100,000.

http://web.archive.org/web/20061024231800/http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/tables/hmrttab.htm

Westfield Taxpayers

6:43 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

If readers are upset by this kind of inflamitory rhetoric by democrats to further restrict our rights, please consider joining the Union County Tea Party

Stranger

9:54 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

The Assemblyman would have done well to look at what New Jersey's gun control laws have done to the State. When the drive to enact gun controls began in the Garden State, there were just 8,849 violent crimes. For the last year available, 2010, there were 27,055. And it is quite easy to demonstrate that gun controls are responsible for the bulk of that increase.

On a wider scale, take Western Europe, less the United Kingdom, against the United States. Western Europe has very restrictive gun laws, while the United States, whose numbers I will place in parentheses immediately after the European numbers, has wide areas with relatively moderate gun laws.

In 2010, the 440,600,000 (309,000,000) Western Europeans had 4,728,875 (1,246,248) violent crimes for a violent crime rate of 1072.6 (403.6) per 100,000 population. Western Europe had at least 26,171 (12,996) murders, for a rate of 6.0 (4.2) per 100,000 population.

Turning to England, the official number is 2,203,000 "violent incidents against adults" against 1,246,248 violent crimes against all ages of Americans. "Gun Free England" has a violent crime rate of 4,156.6 per 100,000 adults, against the United States 403.6 for all ages.

Now, what sane person would care to live in these "crime free, gun free paradises" when even New Jersey has a far lower crime rate. Not nearly as low as US States with more permissive gun laws, but lower than Europe.

Stranger

Mike

11:28 pm on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

The 2nd Amendment means what it says. I am tired of Democrat claptrap on this issue. Repeal the 2nd Amendment or shut up and go away.

Jane

10:31 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Some people don't like facts. Insulting other people only proves they are wrong. They have no arguments to defend their position. The people who have gun are criminals against society,

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Mike Mc

4:30 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

I agree with your first two sentences, Jane. However, I hope you didn't complete your last sentance because it appears as though you are contradicting yourself. I own guns. In fact, I own several guns. I've never commited a crime and have absolutely no intention of doing so. I practice regularly and am more than prepared to defend myself if there is no means of escape or any other option. Please finish your last sentance to clarify your statement.

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Jim

2:29 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012

"The people who have gun are criminals against society,"

I'm not sure where to even start with this. I can't decide whether the intended meaning, or the actual presentation of your thought is dumber.

John DeSocio

4:04 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Let me relate a story the parents of a friend of mine told me when I was younger. They escaped Poland to England during the early days of WW II. When the Nazis invaded Poland the first thing they did was to confiscate all the firearms. If you did not turn them in or if they found them in your possession you went to the concentration camp. You remember hearing about those places if you went to school before this generation. This is what a totalitarian regime does so to gain total control of a population. Sure, let's all surrender our firearms and sing goombaya around the fireside. Anyone for cool-aid? If you read this and understand what I am saying-good for you. If you can't-well we just can't fix stupid!

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Monk

8:37 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

John, you nailed it ... as did many other posters. Why is it that so many are willing to be drones, cogs in the machine, soulless ...?

You people are nuts

9:10 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

Whackos, all of you. Keep stocking up those rations in your underground shelters for when "the gov't comes". My favorite is the prying it from my cold dead hands. Actually the comment saying fists cause more murders than guns had me almost wet myself. The 2nd amendment refers to a well regulated militia. Have all the muskets you'd like. Even good ole boy Scalia has just said there are situations where more
control is in order. He sure is a lefty liberal that Scalia. Right 3M? Gtg, have to explain to the kids why I'm laughing at my computer screen.

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You people are nuts

2:09 pm on Thursday, August 23, 2012

Bwahahahaha at the paranoid whackos protecting us from our government.

DrDarrin

10:00 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

"Democrats have historically voted for gun control. Republicans have historically voted against it."
Put another way, Democrats historically try to disarm the victims of gun violence and make them more dependent on government (law enforcement). Republicans have historically tried to allow these same victims their right to defend themselves as guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.
Which group is acting your best interest and which is acting in their best interest.
"It is in the best interest of politicians (and other criminals) that the public be disarmed."

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You people are nuts

10:22 pm on Wednesday, August 22, 2012

It used to be "the Russians are coming, the Russians are coming", now the crazies sing "the government is coming". Quick, look up, I heard a drone!

Mike Mc

9:09 am on Friday, August 24, 2012

Nuts,
Do you have a fire extenguisher in your home?

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You people are nuts

10:12 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012

Yes Mike I do. Those I keep in my home are to put out small house fires. I do not keep an 8' hose connected to a 15,000 gallon tub to fight that small house fire. I leave that to the professionals. Nice try but I don't need that powerful an arsenal to fight a fire and no one needs that powerful an arsenal to protect their home. Thanks for playing though. 3M :).

You people are nuts

11:37 pm on Friday, August 24, 2012

Let me guess, the gun whackos will say after ANOTHER mass shooter, this time on the streets of Manhatten, "now's not the time to discuss this, let the dead be mourned". Cowards.

Monk

5:16 am on Saturday, August 25, 2012

Denying collectors and sportsmen will not prevent deranged people from harming others. In fact, it shows a lack of solicitude for the agrieved and mentally ill when the blanket policy or law is thought to be sufficient.

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You people are nuts

8:13 am on Saturday, August 25, 2012

Collect pistols. Collect muskets. But Uzis? Come on now. What sport is it to fire off 300 rounds in a minute?

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Monk

9:25 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012

Yes, ban guns and large, sugary drinks.
You people are nuts solution:
When a problem comes along
You must whip it
Before the cream sets out too long
You must whip it
When something's goin' wrong
You must whip it
Now whip it
Into shape
Shape it up
Get straight
Go forward
Move ahead
Try to detect it
It's not too late
To whip it
Whip it good

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You people are nuts

9:53 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012

Hello monk. Never said ban all guns. I don't think this piece did either. That's why I laugh at the over the top reaction in these comments. I don't agree with all your comments but you seem like a reasoned person. Do you believe in any gun control? Do you believe there is a place for citizens to own weapons that can fire 50 or more rounds in a minute? As far as Devo songs, whip it is not my fave. I would point you to "girl u want", "beautiful world", "jerkin back and forth" and "working in a coal mine". They got less air play, but I consider them better songs.

g.f.rush

10:04 am on Saturday, August 25, 2012

its NOT about "collecting' or sports, its about defense, you dumas. muskets. ya know , one of these days youre going to hear a loud "pop"... it wont be a musket, it will be you pulling your head out of your arse! heres a disturbing possibility.:
http://offgridsurvival.com/shtfprepperthreats/

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You people are nuts

11:03 am on Saturday, August 25, 2012

IBEG people to go to your link. It's a survivalist site and illustrates my point on the insanity better than I can. Although gfrush was probably not showing the link with that intent. Hey rush, they now have male enhancements that can easily be prescribed, so losing an Uzi or 2 shouldn't hurt your psyche too much. Laughing at another small wheen whacko.

g.f.rush

8:36 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012

your wife doesnt seem to mind one bit. and the link has some very salient points. , i dont own a uzi, just a shotgun.

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You people are nuts

9:05 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012

Salient points like bin laden was really killed in 2002 and it was an imposter that the Seals got. Hey for $29.95, they have that webcast on Sept. 1 for when the shtf. Which translates to when the s**t hits the fan. Which further translates to when our government comes storming into our homes. Yup, real credible link......for whackos.

g.f.rush

8:59 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012

heres another interesting link, no "Y.P.A.N," its not a.. gasp !"prepper" thang. save your energy for when you have to get a ride to the polls from your one friend to cast your vote for obama. because hes doing SUCH a good job. read a book once in a while, ..especially one called 'cloward=piven" strategy.

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You people are nuts

9:15 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012

Uh, Rushbo you forgot the link. I heard a helicopter so maybe you were distracted thinking the "invasion" has started. Not sure how you got to Obama,maybe because you see him as "another foreign moron" as you referred to the author of this piece. Again, laughing at a whacko.

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You people are nuts

9:20 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012

Ah, a Glen Beck follower. 'nuf said. Now it's ROARING at the whacko.

g.f.rush

9:19 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012

YPAN. wtf are you smoking? ..bin laden.. wha?.. maybe its just sour grapes on your part because maybe you CANT , as a felon,OWN a gun. that makes much more sense, because YOU sure arent... thank you for your translation, im sure we would have never known what "SHTF" meant otherwise. so in essence, your position is that to own a gun for home defense, i must be nuts. because obviously, i also must have an uzi, and use male enhancement pills. or something. interesting that you should pick penis size , of all things to try to bolster your argument. someone must not be happy with the size of your gun, eh? do you live in government assisted (i.e. free) housing or something? or maybe are on some kind of government program for "special' people?..just wondering . theres def SOMETHING wrong with you. but hey,.. i could be wrong, my other guess was that you live in mommies basement and had to crack her birth-day passcode to use her computer at night while shes asleep... go back to bed, johnny mildew, you are past your curfew.

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You people are nuts

9:23 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012

Rushbo, the bin laden reference is from the salient linked website you posted. Quick, look up another drone. Bwahahahaha.

g.f.rush

9:23 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012

YPAN, obama. man, i have YOU peggged. i guess YOU know where he was born, because neither I nor the american people know . about that, or much else, except that hes a dyed in the wool marxist. boy, you ARE a DUMAS. (google that one bright-boy) ..oh, i hear mommie calling you, the cookies are ready! make sure she powders your scrotum just the way you like it when she changes your di-di's. wouldnt want baby to chaf his ass, now would we?

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You people are nuts

9:56 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012

The above post is also the reason I believe some sort of psych test should be passed prior to owning a firearm.

g.f.rush

11:06 pm on Saturday, August 25, 2012

what? your post was so intellectual (Hey rush, they now have male enhancements that can easily be prescribed, so losing an Uzi or 2 shouldn't hurt your psyche too much. Laughing at another small wheen whacko. ) that i felt compelled to reply in kind. and i think it hit a nerve. pointing out that some douchebag lives with mommy is psych test material? sometimes ya just have to call a spade a spade, moron. go back and demand that mommy powder your doughnuts!, someone is getting a little cranky.

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You people are nuts

8:08 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012

I'm sure you've often called things spades. Moron has also showed up in most of your posts. I will stop laughing at the whacko. You deserve pity for your anger at all things foreign and different. If that shotgun of yours brings you comfort, good for you. I just hope the bullets are out of reach. Bwahahahahaha.

g.f.rush

10:04 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012

YPAN" awwe.. another warm fuzzy liberal after all! imagine my surprise. anger? only that mouthbreathers like you steal the same air as me. your wife brings me much more comfort than any shotgun ever could. and she swallowed all my "bullets' oh ..heads up. sometimes foreign and different doesnt mean a week in fun-filled paris, MORON. its a safe bet youve never served your country.or seen any "diversity, aside from what you watch om MSNBC, (usually accompanied by frantic masturbation)..i suspect your world-view is somewhat at a disparity with reality . it must be nice in mommies basement, ..just sayin"

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Jim

10:42 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012

g.f.rush - you're getting your glock, I mean clock cleaned in these exchanges. You may want to give it up.

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You people are nuts

10:59 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012

Rushbo, start at the top of the comments and read down. Your first two comments have the equivalent of 5 sentences. (you use no periods, only commas so I had to try to reconstruct). In those posts you refer to the candidate as ASSyman Chivakula, refer to me as a Dumas, and talk about a popping sound of my head coming out of my "arse". Yup it's me who is obsessed with the nether region. More pity and laughter at the whacko who's head is exploding.

g.f.rush

10:58 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012

jim, thank you for your concern. and, respectfully, i disagree. i dont own a glock. ypan, has offered to clean my cock though.

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You people are nuts

11:09 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012

Rushbo, unfortunately your last 4 posts will most likely be removed because you've completely lost it with your language and references. I hope not for 2 reasons. The first is my replies won't make much sense and the second is people will not be able to see just what an ignoramus you are. I asked Monk last night and still haven't received a reply, do you believe civilians should own guns that can fire over 50 rounds in a minute?

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Monk

11:48 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012

I would've replied sooner, but I was in church, honest!

There are many hobbies and interests which have no attraction for me, such as club racing, league bowling, collecting and firing guns, flying, boating, hunting, etc. But I have nothing against others spending their time and money at these pursuits. I WILL grant you that scale seems like a reasonable consideration in what sort of property is appropriately kept at one's address. I don't like having to look at someone's large boat in their driveway, for example. Keep it at a marina. Guns with a high rate of fire maybe could be stored at the firing range, or at least the ammunition. I've always wanted to build a full-sized trebuchet, but I wouldn't think of setting it up in my little residential neighborhood.

So, yes, I believe civilians should be allowed own guns that can fire over 50 rounds in a minute. I just don't think they should have the ability to fire them outside of the range.

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You people are nuts

12:13 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012

Thanks Monk. That is in line with my thinking as well. Based on the comment thread from top to bottom, we seem to be in the minority.

g.f.rush

11:06 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012

sorry YPAN, i didnt realize i was conducting a grammar class here. oh,..nothing wrong with the "nether region'! i love popping your wifes! WE laugh and laugh. the only thing exploding is .. well ask your wife... she loved it

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You people are nuts

11:24 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012

Unfortunately another post that will ultimately be removed that gives some insight into some of the stable folks who are allowed to possess firearms.
I ask the readers of this exchange, what are your thoughts of even looking at good ole Rushbo here the wrong way? Think he may follow you home? Now laughing at the unhinged whacko.

g.f.rush

11:30 am on Sunday, August 26, 2012

thats all you got? and, so sorry if the salty lingo offended you, i guess you want to ban THAT next.? however if you peruse several previous posts, you will notice that the personal attack regarding body parts and the like originated with YOU. typical liberal. likes to dish it out, but then cries like a little be-yotch. calling a douchebag out doesnt a bad citizen make. its apparent that you were one of those kids that got picked on by the other special ed kids at school, werent you?

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You people are nuts

12:24 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012

Uh Rushbo, I commented I hope your posts aren't deleted so that people read your side of the "discussion". I'm not offended by your language. I do believe however that once an editor reads these, they most likely will be removed due to your content and the Patch code of conduct. It is then that you will most like go on a diatribe against those funny-colored foreigners who I'm sure you blame for all things wrong with your pathetic life. We seem to be now getting circular in our tet-a-tet. It's also probably boring the others. I'll take leave of you now Rushbo. Best of luck in your life.

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You people are nuts

12:38 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012

One more for posterity. The Washington Times is akin to the NYPost in their leanings. To further my point, please research the author of this opinion piece. His name is Anthony Gregory and he has a large amount of writings out there that will give readers a sense of where Mr Gregory is coming from. Once again Rushbo, and with pun certainly intended, you keep bringing a knife to a gun fight. But thanks for the laughs. I've shared our exchanges with some family and friends and now you have folks in 4 states laughing at you.

Jim

12:00 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012

Additional gun control is nothing more than a "feel good" response to problems. It WILL NOT get illegal firearms off the streets. Mass shootings make headline news, but it's really insignificant in the grand scheme of things. 19 shootings in Chicago this weekend alone! The fact of the matter is that we can make it harder for the average joe to buy a gun, but it's a total waste of time. Sorry, but it's true.

We want illegal guns off the streets, but we are opposed to stop and frisk measures. We have this fairy tale notion that more gun control will solve our problems, but our nation's gun laws carry some harsh penalties and it does not stop the violence. Time to look else where, we are just spinning our wheels.

g.f.rush

12:45 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012

keep your guns "on a range" sheesh. i guess you people really must think you are safe or something. i agree with keeping your guns locked and "child-safed" (if you have children) but having them on the 'range' isnt going to help you when some ' have -nots" are breaking in your house. however thats not your real agenda, is it? it would appear that you would like nothing better than for all guns to be banned. in YPANS case, i suspect its just sour grapes because his mommy wont "let him play with them' due to his obvious retardation. we have the laws on the books already. enforce them, if not look to nyc where the little 'dictator" has not already banned guns (how did that work out?) but knives as well ..not to mention "big gulps" ...part of the resisitance to any type of additional gun 'control" is that type of asinine micro management and further erosion of our current rights and liberties due to the actions of a few unhinged individuals. "for our own good".. it just never stops, and with this current adminstration its not likely to. c'mon,.. that jackass bloomberg outlawed soft drinks fercrissakes!. dont any of you see the bigger picture? take a look at whats happening in the UK. they have opened their doors to islamic immigrants,( who are draining the country dry like the parasites they truly are,) disarmed their citizens and now they are paying the price. think it cant happen here?.. wake up sheeple!

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Realist

1:42 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012

Wow g.f. Your last rant reminds me of the scene in Inherit the Wind where Matthew Brady is going on and on while the court room clears out. It's a sad image and I'm thinking the nuts guy has really gotten to you. Retardation?, the have-nots breaking into your home? Islamic immigrants being the parasites they truly are? You are an angry man who I fear actually may be unhinged.

g.f.rush

12:53 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012

ypan, a "knife to a gun fight" funny analogy coming from a fool who wants to ban guns. and i noticed you just had to add "funny COLORED' folks in there, thats what its really about. ill bet you wring your lilly-white hands in guilty white anguish everytime you read a newspaper. oh, im not too worried about what your family and friend think, im pretty sure they all know what a fool YOU are. it sad that this is how pathetic your sad little life is, trolling on a aol patch, trying to make somone else (besides you that it) THINK that youre the smartest person in the room. hey its lunchtime when does mommy come down to the basement with your little cheese sandwhiches, (with the crusts cut off, no doubt) oh,..keep trying to slyly appeal to the admin to delete my posts, you merely come across as a whiny little pissant. that you truly are.

g.f.rush

2:17 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012

uh oh, the 'realist' has spoken,.. obviously another friend coming to YPAN-the-troll's rescue. ok, ill bite. i guess there is NO possibility of this EVER happening, right. and im 'angry' because i know better...the room cleared? wha..? "inherit the wind"? really, go ahead and watch some more tv, its clearly where you get your "insider" knowledge. because islamists are really, deep down great people, right?.. except YOU wouldnt want em as neighbors, would you? y.p.a.n hasnt gotten to me,princess,, its clear hes a lost cause. but he'd like for HIS idiotic ideals to be made into laws. which would prevent YOU from defending your life and/or property. but thats such an outlandish scenario, isnt it? the have-nots would never break into your lkittle kitsch-filled house, now would they? and as for his retardation, well i suggest yuo read his posts. hes a MORON. (theres that word again, ..oh dear!)

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Realist

2:24 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012

Wow again. Thanks for reinforcing my point.

g.f.rush

2:20 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012

I do not believe the people in charge of our government are acting on behalf of the American people. You certainly have the right to remain silent and die. But one thing is for certain…dont attempt to deprive ME of the right to defend myself and my family. no one besides yourself is going to make the world a safe place for you… your participation is now required for survival.

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Jim

2:33 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012

Look up all the politicians that are proponents of gun control, but have carry permits in NJ. Frank Lautenburg is one of the best examples of this.

He opposes YOU being able to carry, but he has is permit, so what does he care!

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